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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 329 for the eighth of

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februari 2015 happy birthday happy

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birthday to you um if it's your birthday

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if it's not your birthday I think

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there's a song about that from one of

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the Disney movies isn't very merry

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unbirthday happy birthday to all those

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people having a birthday of course I'm

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surprised I don't say this every week no

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I'm not that would be a tedious mmm so

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eight of every people you're very lucky

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coming up on this week's show we catch

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up with one of our foundation members of

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the skeptic zone dr. Richie dr. 'he who

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has been sort of on leave from the

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skeptic zone owing to a her extremely

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important scientific research hardly any

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time to do anything dr. ray cheese off

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to melbourne to live for a while and

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then oft for other adventures however

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maynard catches up with dr. Reggie just

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the other day when we had skeptics in

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the pub here in sydney what's dr. Richie

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up to now what's her thoughts about the

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state of scientific funding in Australia

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find out at the top of the show and then

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it's the raw skeptic report with the raw

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skeptic her self Heidi Robertson heidi's

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going to be giving us some an update and

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update about a story she did a few weeks

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ago about raw milk do people really

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bathe in raw milk hmm I want evidence of

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that I suppose they do you'd have to buy

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an awful lot of it to fill up your tub

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jump in and hmm anyway an update about

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raw milk with Heidi Robinson coming up

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and you might notice that Heidi's report

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sounds even better this week because

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thanks to the ongoing support and

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generosity of listeners just like you oh

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happy birthday by the way I was able to

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buy Heidi a wonderful new zoom h2n

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microphone the one I'm using right now

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and I don't get any kickbacks from zoom

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by the way but it just happens to be a

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nice microphone for podcasting

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I bought that for Heidi posted it off to

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her and she's using that now so you know

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when when you do chip in to the skeptic

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zone your money actually goes back into

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the skeptic zone for four very good uses

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and after that we catch up with dr. Bob

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the mysterious dr. Bob from dr. Bob's

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trivia quiz now dr. Bob also known as

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dr. Steve Roberts is a sponsor of the

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skeptic zone and we greatly greatly

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appreciate his help in bringing you the

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skeptic zone each week so we catch up

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with Steve have a little chat to him and

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over the coming weeks we he drops by and

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has some more chats Steve Roberts is a

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longtime skeptic he's a life member of

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Australian skeptics he's investing has

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many things he has a love for

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investigating UFOs and things like that

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so we'll find out more about Steve

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Roberts also known as the mysterious dr.

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Bob and following that it's a weakened

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science from the Royal Institution of

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Australia www RI aus org dot a you what

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a popular segment that is no what's that

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oh it's Fred the cat hello Fred how are

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you yeah Fred yes the Fred the skeptical

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skeptic zone cat I think Fred's only

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skeptical when he doesn't get his dinner

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actually yes that's when Fred's most

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skeptical then to round off the show

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Maynard spooky action may not visit

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skeptics in the pub here in Sydney and

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ask the big question now we've had news

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of james randi retiring and at 86 well

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why not I guess I may not asks pub goers

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end Maynard catches up with dr. Kyle

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crucial miss key a couple of weeks ago

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science and reason in this country you

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might think of him as Australia's bill

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nye the science guy and doctor calls at

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10 last year and was a big hit there Oh

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happy gasp and things like that that was

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from the archives now before we get into

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the show speaking of a supporting the

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skeptic zone there's another way you can

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do it I've just put up on ebay a series

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of origami posters and some of you may

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know why I do lots of origami I've

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written books about it a DVD and make an

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origami jewelry well I am folded up some

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origami out of money and other things

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and did some well I'm I think rather

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nice sort of photography work made some

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posters and they're available on eBay

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and that money goes back into the

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skeptic zone check those posters out I

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always like to think that they would

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look good at a school in a school

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library or something like that it quite

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their cheerful posters there's a link on

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skeptics on website www scripting zone

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TV fifty dollars Australian will get you

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those posters free postage in Australia

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and I think a little bit more postage if

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you're overseas just to cover that cost

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check them out and don't forget you can

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order the vaccination chronicles DVD as

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well or a graft by me only twelve

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dollars postage anywhere in the world

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and that's for you to enjoy then copy

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and copy and give to your friends and

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say friends copy this and pass it around

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the artwork for the cover and the

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artwork for the DVD itself are embedded

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in the DVD so yeah if you want to do

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that and spread the word about

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vaccination how important it is ever

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knows at the moment in California

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especially in other parts of the US with

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the measles outbreak it's pretty

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important and we're going to be hearing

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more about that in the coming weeks I'm

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sure but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs keep going and run out the

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door run to my car jump in my car try

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shop and look hunt search for something

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i had in california which i just adore

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jalapeno and cheese bagels wish me luck

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in sydney folks if I was in California

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that I know I'd be heading for those

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well I venture out and search for that

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lovely breakfast I hope you enjoy the

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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop I'm here with dr.

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Rachel Dunlop who is a cell biologist

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which means he specializes in the sex in

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prisons what my cell biology are an hour

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but look at all your moving on you've

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got the job um Benny ruthenium you're

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moving to melbourne on what's going on

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but people want to know inquiring minds

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want to know what's happened to dr.

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Rachel well I can't really say may not I

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love that a bit of intrigue I can say

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that um my funding for my research and

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Sydney ran out look I heard people going

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boo when that happened yes yeah so I am

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to go elsewhere but I can't really

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as far as there I'm gonna go to North

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Karen ish alee I might actually go to

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might even go over seas and oceans and

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stuff to the bowlin ah yes yes you are

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gonna get around totally a jet said all

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right are you gonna pretend to be a

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penguin and get fed for free this is

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assembling scam you're running isn't it

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can't say that either but because people

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wondering where you've got to there and

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are you you must be pretty on a personal

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level obviously you'd be disgusted with

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the with the face of science in

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Australia at the moment and the way it's

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being treated but is it generally you

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scientists in Australia with me yeah

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absolutely and it's got a lot worse in

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the last 12 months and it's

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people are finally starting to get

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cranky about it and make noise about it

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there a funding issue is there an

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attitude that's going on no I think it's

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a combination of both but primarily the

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biggest problem is funding and that the

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CSIRO which is our sort of hallmark

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Australian science agency who invented

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Wi-Fi and like plastic money and stuff

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so they're not actually sitting around

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doing nothing they lost nine hundred

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funding cuts and what is this a

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percentage that sounds like it's not a

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small percentage no I don't know what

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percentage it was but it was it was a

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massive amount of their research staff

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people think he's going to get nominated

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for a Nobel Prize fairly soon he got

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knocked off because um not knocked off

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redundant but he still comes to work

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anyway he still comes to work even

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though he's not getting paid has he got

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stuff in the work fridge that he doesn't

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have to go off or something no I think

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he's just like this really generous guy

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after the Vietnam War so he was I guess

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he was a boat person one of those

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terrorists that you know we hear about

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contributed a huge amount to research in

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this country but now he doesn't have a

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job either so there's another guy who

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who has contributed the equivalent of

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six billion dollars to the economy

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because he worked on solar cells and

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solar power and he's lost his job as

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well so you know is there any section

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that is going ahead at the moment is

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there any area that actually has got the

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money that other people haven't got yes

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the mining industry yes so good time to

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be a geologist now now now who's the

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silly one wasn't you should have been

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spending a bit more time on your igneous

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rocks well I'm possibly a mining

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engineer maybe I mean but the money room

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and it was slowing down but this

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government seems to be intent on putting

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money into fossil fuels and not really

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investing in renewables but also in the

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technology and the stem industries so

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science technology engineering maths in

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Australia which we were good we're going

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to need soon because we're going to run

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out of stuff in the ground you know you

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could just keep digging stuff out of the

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ground forever look about 200 years with

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it but I'm with ya and no way that's

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just call back yeah but the the other

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issue is who's going to buy it you know

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China's not buying it as much as they

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biggest problems is other countries who

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velu tuvalu is just not pulling its

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weight like like they've got the dot TV

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web web thing but they aren't buying

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much of our stuff they're like that

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they're not buying much coal they're not

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buying any uranium I mean what no come

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on because I think they're sinking

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actually Lena obviously they don't want

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to buy anything cuz it's gonna make the

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island heavier and you don't want that

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yeah because you know like the planets

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warming up and stuff um so no I mean

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there was an article in The Australian

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media just last week about four nobel

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prize winners from Australia who came

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out and had a real go at the government

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saying look you know this is not just an

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issue of one industry of people it's an

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issue of the country we've got to invest

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in something that's not just digging

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stuff out of the ground because it's not

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sustainable in terms of economical

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things so there was three Nobel Prize

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winners and three aria award winners

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that the guy with the big hair for

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Wolfmother came out and he was harsh

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what she quickly for this CSIRO things

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got to stop he said but people couldn't

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understand it cuz he was talking to it

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here well what does Simon de have to say

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about it did you ask him today you had a

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hangover and he think think think we

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should really throw that money behind a

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hangover based recovery okay we'll see

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that's something that we could pursue

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and you know I'm happy to do that but um

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yeah so I mean it in fact up until this

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point anyway most of my money had come

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from America in any case you

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I've never got any money from the

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australian government in terms of my

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research and my clinical trials are

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being run in America because we can't

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afford to run them here because if you

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weren't exactly what rachel has been

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doing please look up talked about to

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Dunlop and her work and you there's some

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nice summaries of it that aren't on

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PubMed that people can understand oh

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yeah there's I mean I gab about a little

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over the place so yeah you'll find it

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everywhere ya know we had to stop a

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talking she was talking to some just

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people in the street there was like some

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homeless people she was just trying to

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do you know about that i'll shut up they

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even they knew they wouldn't have it

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they said look just go upstairs with the

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skeptics okay but look you're looking

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fine you're looking great and whatever

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you got ahead of you I'm sure it's big

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and bright well may not I don't have a

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job anymore so maybe I'll have time to

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do some more reports for the show which

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would be good wouldn't it Wow I think

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you I think you would you should get in

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there and get but you have been on the

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project a lot and you've been you've

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been getting in there hard now I have

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been asking this of everyone a bit

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tonight and that is if you could ban

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banished from the planet one only one

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non evidence-based modality which one

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would you pick only one only one Queen

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rachel is going to speak and then there

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will be no more of this and we must

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speak of it no more after you ban it

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what would it be controversial though

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what I say and it might make us some

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people a little bit cranky okay so in

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one non evidence-based medical modality

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okay so I'm going to have to paraphrase

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it by saying it's only the non

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evidence-based section of this modality

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which is unfortunately a lot of it and

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I'd have to say chiropractic and I'd

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have to say that because it's considered

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mainstream by many people it's not

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considered alternative at all so people

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don't even know that it's not

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evidence-based and it's some of it some

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of the things they do are quite

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pernicious because they come across they

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call themselves doctor so where was the

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line is it is a rough line where the

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evidence-based stopped and the non and

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evidence-based started is there one fact

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that they grab onto that from that point

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on is non evidence-based yeah and that

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is that there's subluxation some magical

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subluxations in people's spines they

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affect their entire health so if you

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crack someone's back it was

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prevent them from getting it will

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correct their hearing impairment or

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it'll fix their sinuses or something so

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that is really changing I mean I once

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had like a bit of a what a contortion

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what I they call when they do that when

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they do the movement it's an entire okay

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well I had my back cracked and before

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that I never liked the music of the

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sharp but after that I couldn't get

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enough of train of thought I could not

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it was just amazing my train of thought

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actually know that there was a Meridian

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Line or whatever for the shop there is

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yeah and and you know and it's

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interesting cuz the sharp but the living

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end even though they have a similar line

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up didn't affect me so it was very

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specific it was a bit like it was a

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targeted targeted receptor well that you

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see I mean maybe that's something we

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should research more because that could

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be something we could follow up you know

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although other sharp still together yeah

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look and look no matter and look alive

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love Australian bands look maybe this

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sharpie look look and look a lot of

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Australian bad liked ISM Chisholm of

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Melbourne spent years investigating

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Saturday night palsy they never found a

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cure that's true hmm is it true you're

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interviewing them soon may not I've

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already spoken to them and yes it was

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that I've looked up to quote Seinfeld

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I've interviewed ISM end of a

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spectacular did you do it over the phone

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up over the sky so it's a good quality

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videos of their face and no i didn't in

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fact I actually challenged Damien Carol

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I said look the amount of people have

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told me that they were in the Rolling

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Stones head I know you actually in

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Chisholm yes I saying but he did

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actually he'd know he knew enough to

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know he was the guy from Chisholm and by

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the way skeptics by Damien Carol's disco

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machine album it's got Shawn Micallef

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and kate miller high key and tim rogers

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on it and it's great oh wow that sounds

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excellent no I don't look that up I mean

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who else would write a song that says I

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hope you get laid for Christmas that is

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a great song and I'm gonna be playing

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that a Christmas cost you are dr. Reggie

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have a have a good time in Melbourne so

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obviously you are wearing a lipstick

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that's going to be three shades redder

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you can have to do twice as much

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foundation makeup and get a lot more

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black into your wardrobe because that is

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melbourne in winter I do have a lot of

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black already but I had to send a lot of

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my clothes away to storage because i'm

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going to somewhere after this where it's

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different weather

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I feel the pollen Phillip Island yeah

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just south of melbourne it's quite you

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know different there now and I believe

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that due to a terrible shipping mistake

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must add Scott Anderson Vincent de Paul

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and everyone's having a great time there

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are people there yeah a shipping error

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shipping you get this book Reggie almost

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as much fun thank you for coming along

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tight and I hope we can see you soon and

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come back on the show soon I will may

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not i'll try on maynard calm da are you

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banga banga can you give us a brief

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summary of your time in canada very

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quickly there can you explain the

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country to us what happens to some

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advice for people visiting canada oh

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canada our home and what are you doing

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Oh with what no the words it sounds

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you're seeking it who's thing is I was

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saying just I like Oh Oh Canada can you

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do it sure no no can you do the like

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melody like Oh Canada Oh Canada yeah

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that's no no Canada is the most polite

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country in the world you turn up there

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and the first thing customers say is

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sorry sorry I need to see your passport

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the snow hit at a rate of five feet in

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one night babe you wake up in the

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morning you got to open the door and the

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door won't open so you eat a lot of

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bacon too emotionally cope with it

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everybody has polite conversations

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because you're all locked up and nobody

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wants to be rude because you get put

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outside straighten up Australia wake up

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to yourself prince philip has not only

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been the lover of australia's despot for

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over three hundred and twelve years well

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done he is greek and what could be more

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Australian than an old Greek guy

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shuffling around after some woman going

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were were eating food living the good

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life isn't that the Australian thing and

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of course another thing about Prince

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Phillip is he doesn't receive any money

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at all he's been scraping by four years

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now going around Balmoral busking a

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little

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living off the coin she's given come on

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a burger oh my not condone are you Tanya

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Bunga it's the raw skeptic report with

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Heidi Robertson hi everyone so I have a

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bit of an update on the raw milk story I

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did a few weeks ago after the death of a

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toddler and illnesses of other children

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link to the ingestion of raw milk from a

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dairy farm in Victoria the Victorian

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Government has made it mandatory that

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all raw milk sold must now contain a

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bittering agent to make it unpalatable

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after all the bittering agent should not

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matter in the least if the milk is being

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used to bathe in as was its advertised

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purpose a Rebecca freer from Melbourne

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runs to facebook pages one the

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Australian raw milk movement and to the

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raw store on January the 27th 2015 the

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raw store posted the following come and

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defend your consumer rights at our raw

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milk drinking even if you don't care

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about raw milk it is in everyone's

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interests to have control over what food

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we eat let's start wielding our power as

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consumers and say no to money making

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over health making followed by a poster

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with the details of the time and place

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to be and a reminder to BYO cup the

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drinkin was held outside the Office of

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Consumer Affairs Minister Jane Garrett

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two days after that post the Guardian

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picked up on the story with the headline

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raw milk drinking in Melbourne denounced

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by health experts from that article

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quote a leading infectious disease

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physician and microbiologist professor

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peter collignon said he was concerned by

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the drinking and that uninformed people

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may try the product thinking raw also

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meant healthy I would advise no one to

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parties

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page he said if they try to say to

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people raw milk is more pure they are

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wrong and are trying to get people to do

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something dangerous he said the raw milk

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movement page then posted the following

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a couple of days later the phone is

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running hot today with the age and the

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Guardian both asking about our drinking

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apparently according to the Guardian

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journalist our drinking is disrespectful

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to the families of the children that

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allegedly became unwell because of the

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milk Wow isn't it pretty disrespectful

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to accuse a farmer of producing and

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selling killer milk with zero evidence

542
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when did it become disrespectful to

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assert your rights and have an opinion I

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think it's fair to say we are in the

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midst of violent resistance at least we

546
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have moved on from denial get ready

547
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people the fight is on the drink in went

548
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ahead with the attendees protesting

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against the new law and footage of

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parents feeding their children raw milk

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and wearing t-shirts saying hands off

552
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our milk Rebecca free led the protest

553
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and when interviewed there by the ABC

554
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said that unpasteurized milk should be

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regulated and not banned she said quote

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but there has to be certain things

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happening for it to be safe so if you

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look at other parts of the world they're

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very clear on stipulating that the cows

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need to be really healthy the cows are

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grass-fed these are not factory farm

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cows end quote when I headed on over to

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the raw store's website the raw store

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net a you I was greeted by a photo of a

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homemade sign being held up by two hands

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but an unseen face the sign stated in

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large black lettering I drink raw milk

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arrest me interesting that the person

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holding that provocative sign wishes to

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remain anonymous so they are no longer

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pretending that the milk is being used

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for bathing in so how do they justify

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selling milk which is illegal to sell

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for human consumption here's their

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theory from the Australian raw milk page

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not all of us have the luxury of being

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able to support a house cow in

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backyards so those people wanting to

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obtain it in this manner often chose to

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purchase a share of an animal and pay

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the producer to look after the cow milk

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it and deliver the milk to them the milk

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they legally owned as part of the

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agreement with the producer this

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arrangement is called a herd chair or

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couch air the milk is not sold the

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consumer owns the animal and is merely

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receiving the milk they are entitled to

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as the owner of the animal the producer

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simply cares for the animal and

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distributes the milk to them this is

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legal under the current legislation as

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the milk is not being sold this is also

594
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the defense that a South Australian

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couple are currently using in court

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they're on trial for selling raw milk

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vehicle share scheme in april 2013 an

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investigator from South Australian

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Primary Industries and resources bought

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a share of their herd and had the milk

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tested the results were that there were

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microbiological levels well in excess of

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those allowed by Food Standards that

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couple brought one of their dairy cows

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to court with them they also had a

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shareholder turn up to court in a cow

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onesie declaring her support for the

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couple she said that she was allowed by

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law to drink alcohol and eat junk food

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so she should also be allowed to by law

611
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to drink raw milk here's another quote

612
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from that shareholder in a story by the

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ABC I have gone to visit the farm but I

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have not gone specifically to visit my

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cow if there was a label on my cow I

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could certainly identify my cow I

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believe it's a Frisian the

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physiotherapist then gym owner admitted

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she received milk from cows other than

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her own because the milk from all cows

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on the property was pulled before

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distribution mr. Tyler from the farm

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said pooling the milk prevented health

624
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risks part of the reason for pulling all

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the milk into one VAT and refrigerating

626
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it quickly is to protect the health of

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the shareholders he said it would go

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against the best interest of the

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participants if we had to milk each cow

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individually and do it all separately

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the trial will resume in my

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so what were other supporters and

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shareholders saying on social media well

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there were comments such as the Sun

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00:26:54,669 --> 00:26:52,000
causes melanoma let's ban the Sun and

636
00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:54,679
junk food is killing us why don't they

637
00:26:59,680 --> 00:26:57,470
ban that there are also others saying

638
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that raw milk very rarely causes deaths

639
00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:01,820
so everyone is having a knee-jerk

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reaction to the death of this toddler

641
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nice i noticed that no one that i could

642
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see was posting anything about a the

643
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morbidity rates associated with

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00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,929
ingesting raw milk and be what the

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relative risks were of raw milk versus

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pasteurized milk consumption so I posted

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some CDC statistics on one of the raw

648
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milk movement threads quote from 1998

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through 2011 148 outbreaks due to

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consumption of raw milk or raw milk

651
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:37,700
products were reported to the CDC these

652
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:42,940
resulted in 2384 illnesses 284

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hospitalizations and two deaths and

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quote I also commented that

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hospitalizations result not just from

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00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:53,870
vomiting and diarrhea guillain-barre

657
00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:56,090
syndrome can occur leading to paralysis

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00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:59,330
and hemolytic uremic syndrome can result

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leading to kidney failure and Stroke my

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00:28:07,419 --> 00:28:05,150
comments were promptly deleted and I've

661
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been banned from commenting further on

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00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:12,740
the page tangent that's about the sixth

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or seventh Facebook page I've been

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others include the Australian of

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00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:25,510
vaccination skeptics Network food babe

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Pete Evans a pro-black self page and a

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00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:32,050
particular Northern Rivers vets page he

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00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:33,940
provides homeopathic alternatives to

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00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:36,880
vaccinations in animals I can't say I've

670
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:38,950
ever seen a pro science page ever delete

671
00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:41,740
someone who's had valid facts on their

672
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:46,840
side anyway so what does the CDC say

673
00:28:54,380 --> 00:28:50,470
about relative risk quote the incidence

674
00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:54,390
of reported outbreaks from 1993 to 2006

675
00:29:00,660 --> 00:28:57,160
involving non pasteurized dairy products

676
00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:00,670
was around 150 times greater per unit of

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00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:02,860
dairy product consumed than the

678
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:05,230
incidents involving pasteurized products

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00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:08,830
if as is probably likely less than 1% of

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00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:10,660
dairy products are consumed non

681
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:13,810
pasteurized then the relative risk per

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00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:16,150
unit of non pasteurized dairy product

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00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:19,480
consumed would be even higher and this

684
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:22,630
quote the hospitalization rate for

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patients in outbreaks caused by raw milk

686
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:27,970
was 13 times higher thirteen percent

687
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:30,250
versus one percent then the rate for

688
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:31,780
people in outbreaks caused by

689
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:34,690
pasteurized milk this difference is

690
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,580
probably partly because the outbreaks

691
00:29:41,610 --> 00:29:38,880
caused by raw milk were all caused by

692
00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:41,620
bacterial infections that tend to be

693
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:47,740
more severe for example a coli o157 h7 a

694
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:49,930
bacterium that can cause kidney failure

695
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:52,030
and death was a common cause of

696
00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:54,940
outbreaks due to raw milk for outbreaks

697
00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:57,700
caused by pasteurized milk relatively

698
00:30:04,100 --> 00:29:59,710
mild viral infections and foodborne

699
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:04,110
toxins were more common causes end quote

700
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:07,060
perhaps if you know all the risks of

701
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:08,950
ingesting raw milk that is not straight

702
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:11,530
from the cow and you still choose to do

703
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:14,830
it you should be able to the issue is

704
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:16,210
that this product is being fed to

705
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:18,160
children all around the country who rely

706
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:20,140
on their caregivers to protect them from

707
00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:22,900
harm we strap our kids into their car

708
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,300
seats we don't shove cigarettes in their

709
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:28,020
mouths or give them alcohol to drink

710
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:30,610
perhaps we should also avoid giving them

711
00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:32,770
a product that has no proven benefit

712
00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:35,380
above pasteurized milk but which has a

713
00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:39,300
much higher risk associated with it

714
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:42,790
that's it from me take a look at our

715
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:45,100
group's website we are the Northern

716
00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:47,920
Rivers vaccination supporters and can be

717
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:52,840
found at nrvs dot info on facebook at

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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00:31:16,770 --> 00:30:58,240
or on twitter at our backs supporters

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that's vix thanks till next time hi I'm

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Bob's quiz what's the history about that

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Oh long long ago I'm from Melbourne I

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mean the Melbourne skeptics and every

739
00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:10,929
Christmas we put a light-hearted quiz on

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00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:13,480
we had monthly meetings which they are

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still going in fact in a partying like

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on street and maybe Chris was up at this

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trivia quiz on they got so formed into

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account of its own and this is before

745
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:27,790
the days of the World Wide Web yeah but

746
00:32:31,169 --> 00:32:29,350
when the wave came in it was all the

747
00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:31,179
skeptics webpage there was a link to a

748
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:34,120
quiz on the webpage and it's now not

749
00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:35,590
actually on the skipper's web pages such

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as has a page of its own yeah there's a

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link to it and anybody can go there and

752
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,880
have a habit clicking it that the the

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00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:44,559
quiz it's not a little test of knowledge

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00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:46,840
you know I thought while you can ask

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00:32:51,810 --> 00:32:48,850
questions like you know how old's the

756
00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:51,820
earth is it 6,000 years old or four

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billion years old you know if you tix

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Excel is old bad bad bad answer no

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biscuit you know no point for that you

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know so you're conducting your like an

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interrogation or an examination on

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skeptical policy yeah and can tell off

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00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:07,240
people who don't conform I thought no

764
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:09,040
it's not like that people people know

765
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,980
this stuff already so while it puts a

766
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:14,320
light-hearted factoids in like you know

767
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:16,660
did the Titanic go left or right of the

768
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:18,340
iceberg this is the days before the

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00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:20,740
Titanic was discovered it was known that

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it would lift ah but there was actually

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a visa white went left all right you can

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00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:26,919
ask a question like that and the

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00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:29,169
question does have an answer yeah a nice

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to me that I still read a lot a lot of

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00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:34,090
obscure books again before before

776
00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:36,669
Wikipedia Wikipedia really bug as my

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00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:39,700
quiz up maybe you try to pose questions

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00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:42,130
that people can't run to Google or

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00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,690
Wikipedia to find out well there's

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00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:45,480
nobody questions you can't find it

781
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:48,330
um but yeah you need something obscure

782
00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:51,990
in a book here like um how much human

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was in Hitler's bladder when he

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00:33:58,700 --> 00:33:56,970
committed suicide obscure Russian

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00:34:01,340 --> 00:33:58,710
autopsy which which I've been which is

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00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:01,350
now thought to be forged but at the time

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00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:03,330
it was thought to be real so that they

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hit like she did go to the bog before he

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cut himself gurbles did not not many

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people know this you know so you can ask

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a question about it and that's obscure

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very obscure as the quiz makes clear you

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00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:18,000
know I already know the answers sort of

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00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,010
wanted something witty so you're more

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interested in people using their

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imaginations to come up with interesting

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00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:26,909
answers oh yeah that's as other people

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00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:30,179
can then read see you can I asked here

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00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:32,460
in 1899 there was a world land speed

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record held in France and various

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00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,169
vehicles entered the winning vehicle did

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00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:42,179
about 65 miles an hour how was it

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00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:44,580
propelled and actually the answer is

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electricity given by batteries but I got

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answers in like testosterone vanity you

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know but you actually better than me

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alarms they're funnier Nevada the bid

808
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bid on the relation you score according

809
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,570
to imagination not necessarily the right

810
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:03,359
hand side oaks court orders I just look

811
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:05,670
at the answer I used to a pointer we

812
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:08,220
know every month um it's all the same

813
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,220
people to do it so if you google on dr.

814
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,980
Bob's trivia quiz yeah you know come up

815
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:16,140
and done this you're still going it's

816
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,250
getting harder and harder to find

817
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:20,640
questions and I kind of not very web

818
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:22,650
savvy so I've recently been able to put

819
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:24,090
pictures on it let's take me some time

820
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,300
to find out how yeah but is easier with

821
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:28,800
pictures you can put a picture of cell

822
00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:30,690
you up and say what's this yeah the

823
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:32,340
people can have a shot at it alright

824
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:33,660
well that's great well thanks for

825
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:35,910
dropping by Steve are in the coming

826
00:35:39,830 --> 00:35:38,010
weeks i'll ask you little bits and

827
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:39,840
pieces some other topics i know you've

828
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:41,250
been a long time skeptic in the

829
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:43,710
skeptical supporter and well on behalf

830
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:45,240
of the skeptic zone and the listeners

831
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,619
thank you for being a sponsor of the

832
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,740
show oh no whoa is Richard

833
00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:52,000
welcome to a week in science from our

834
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:54,100
iOS bringing you the science you need to

835
00:36:00,720 --> 00:35:57,160
know 2014 was a great year for science

836
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:00,730
but how would 2015 compare here's three

837
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:02,470
exciting things that we're watching out

838
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:08,560
for firstly we've got high hopes for

839
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:10,630
NASA's new Horizons mission to study

840
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,560
Pluto and its moons launched in 2006 and

841
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:17,200
hibernating since the spacecraft was

842
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:19,960
woken up late 2014 to prepare for its

843
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:22,210
encounter with the Pluto system some

844
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:24,940
three billion miles from Earth one

845
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:26,860
difficulty will be communicating with

846
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:28,690
the spacecraft across such a long

847
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:31,870
distance to give you some idea the wake

848
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:33,970
up messages from New Horizons took

849
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,980
nearly four and a half hours to reach

850
00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:39,040
Earth the mission is to study Pluto and

851
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:41,140
its moons to understand more about them

852
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,570
and how they fit in our solar system the

853
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,280
New Horizons spacecraft will then

854
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:47,440
continue on to study the Kuiper belt a

855
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:49,210
rocky region surrounding our solar

856
00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:51,910
system made up of icy remnants from when

857
00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:57,190
the solar system was formed in 2015 two

858
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,990
swiss explorers will attempt to

859
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:00,880
circumnavigate the globe in a solar

860
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:03,490
powered plane it's a single-seat

861
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:05,950
aircraft made of carbon fiber with a

862
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:09,100
wingspan of 72 meters it's wider than a

863
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:12,190
Boeing 747 but at weighs just two

864
00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:13,950
thousand three hundred kilograms

865
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,840
covering the wings are 17,000 solar

866
00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:19,200
cells running four electric motors

867
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:22,590
during the day the solar cells recharge

868
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:26,080
663 kilograms of lithium batteries so

869
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:29,050
the aircraft can fly at night they're 35

870
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,330
thousand kilometer journey is expected

871
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:34,240
to take around 500 total flying hours

872
00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:37,120
with only ten stops this project could

873
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:38,620
be a breakthrough for solar powered

874
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:41,380
flight but at an average speed of 70

875
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:43,360
kilometers an hour it's probably some

876
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:47,290
time before it will be used commercially

877
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:50,020
and finally we think you should keep an

878
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:52,330
eye on the Bloodhound SSC project from

879
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:55,030
the UK the bloodhound supersonic car

880
00:38:00,000 --> 00:37:57,160
will attempt to break the current land

881
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:00,010
speed record the aim is 1,000 miles per

882
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:03,730
hour or over 1,600 kilometers per hour

883
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:07,030
given that the current record is 763

884
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:09,610
miles per hour this is a massive jump

885
00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:12,520
the project is run by Richard noble and

886
00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:15,460
features pilot Andy green together they

887
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:17,740
hold the current land speed record the

888
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:19,420
reason for attempting to break their own

889
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,210
record is to inspire school students to

890
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:24,400
study science technology engineering and

891
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:26,620
maths at University their record

892
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:29,770
attempts will be in 2016 but 2015 will

893
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:31,870
see their first high speed test in the

894
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:35,110
car that's out 2015 watch list there's

895
00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:37,390
more information on the rirs website are

896
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:42,580
I aus org dot a you I'm Tony Amaya and

897
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:01,920
hi I'm audit oh yeah Kristen or evil

898
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:03,550
tips advice on logic lifted off the

899
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:05,260
skeptic zone um skip the comedian or

900
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:06,970
again I think mushky blog get upper

901
00:39:10,110 --> 00:39:08,710
bleph a podcast over and against capsis

902
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:10,120
driven me like if I'm ever doctor is

903
00:39:14,670 --> 00:39:12,670
mack center of escape system and loop or

904
00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:14,680
hyper versus the deep plane or textured

905
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:16,660
and calendar or escaped escaped to death

906
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:18,130
or like you till I will escape this

907
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:19,810
killer search it skips is Logan of

908
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:21,490
authority and lay the disk ateres hextep

909
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:23,140
escapes is for Omar Sadiki know Delta

910
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:26,680
yourself Skip's is docked mo hello I'm

911
00:39:30,750 --> 00:39:29,410
moderate and I'm Kristin and we want to

912
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:30,760
let you know that there are lots of

913
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:32,410
Norwegian skeptics for you to get to

914
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:34,330
know there are blogs and pub mates and a

915
00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:36,280
podcast and the Norwegian skeptics also

916
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:37,720
do paranormal tests and consumer

917
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:39,700
activism to find out more Google

918
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:41,890
Norwegian skeptics or visit skep

919
00:39:59,220 --> 00:39:55,980
here's may not spooky action at the

920
00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:01,540
people rushing people hushing people

921
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:03,140
shushing people go and get out of my lap

922
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:05,030
because it's all happening here at

923
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:06,620
skeptics in the pub the crown hotel

924
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:09,380
first thursday of each month it goes off

925
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,630
and who we got here David David I've

926
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:13,040
spoken to a few times and of course

927
00:40:18,610 --> 00:40:15,610
James Randi has announced he's retiring

928
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,620
do we need leaders still in the septagon

929
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:20,960
movement or is a bit more organic do we

930
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:23,300
really need people like that at this

931
00:40:28,690 --> 00:40:25,730
point probably not anymore but he did

932
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:28,700
start the entire movement along with

933
00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:31,250
nichole seguin i think so i think i

934
00:40:34,270 --> 00:40:32,180
would get along quite where they were

935
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:34,280
okay without him so we don't need a

936
00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:35,780
replacement you aren't thinking of

937
00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:38,540
growing a beard ah no I don't take

938
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:40,580
agrego a white beard anyway at my age

939
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:43,010
well look the word on the street is he

940
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:46,310
bleaches his anyway all ok ok ok so you

941
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:47,890
reckon it is a bit more organic now

942
00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:50,390
it'll probably get along by go along by

943
00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:53,840
itself ok James Randi is retiring you've

944
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:55,100
got a bit of a beard there you could

945
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,750
grow the beard you couldn't bleach it a

946
00:41:00,640 --> 00:40:58,880
bit you could be the new James Randi do

947
00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:00,650
we need leaders like that in the

948
00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:02,540
skeptical movement now I think when

949
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:05,840
James from james randi duties so that a

950
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:07,640
good purpose to get it all started on

951
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:11,260
and he's got to take it easy now

952
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:13,390
and then there are armed there are

953
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:15,910
others who can sort of up there with him

954
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,390
I think it'll it'll go on quite

955
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:21,520
swimmingly with it without him and okay

956
00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:22,780
well so you think we're a bit more

957
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:25,540
organic now don't need leaders yeah we

958
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,490
need leaders but we don't we could

959
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:30,400
probably go quite well with without

960
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:32,380
somebody up this heavy weight is Randy

961
00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:34,390
I'm here at the bar which is where the

962
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:35,980
true opinions are heard in fact if

963
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:37,210
you're not at the bar really you're

964
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:38,830
wasting your time so with james randi

965
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:41,650
moving on do we need leaders I think

966
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:43,180
we're still always need leaders you know

967
00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:44,830
otherwise you're just a bunch of cats I

968
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:46,600
mean it skeptic sahar and after heard as

969
00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:50,710
it is you got any suggestions oh geez I

970
00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:51,580
don't know who would take his place

971
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:54,460
maybe stephen develop that or any of

972
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:56,050
that team I need that team actually that

973
00:41:59,520 --> 00:41:57,550
they're all well-spoken the great Evan

974
00:42:02,430 --> 00:41:59,530
Bernstein you know the brothers and yeah

975
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:02,440
fantastic yeah and yeah it was a bit I

976
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:04,090
knew Randy was getting on a bit but I

977
00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:05,170
didn't know he was going to officially

978
00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:06,520
announce his retirement I thought he was

979
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:08,830
just gonna slowly sort of fade away

980
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:10,660
there and go okay I won't do as much but

981
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:12,010
it's like that's it I'm putting my feet

982
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:13,450
up that's why that's what I would have

983
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:14,320
thought i would have thought he just

984
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:15,940
would have been there till whenever you

985
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:17,380
know decided they couldn't do it i

986
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,180
reckon he's decided to retire because

987
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,520
he's finally going to shave maybe that's

988
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:23,200
it and they can never be recognized no

989
00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:25,390
no it is anyway so yeah it's raw it

990
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,680
sounds like well it sounds like a plan

991
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:28,720
why not here's a moment a strong opinion

992
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:29,890
and I haven't even finished their meal

993
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:31,540
and they go strong opinion your head the

994
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:33,220
glass is only half empty and you have a

995
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:35,590
strong opinion what do you think I love

996
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:38,740
James ready well yeah I mean touche Mesa

997
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:41,080
is retiring my my theory is that he's

998
00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:43,270
actually decided to shave so now know

999
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,680
what he look like anyway if he did but

1000
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:46,480
but you know I mean it's not like he

1001
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:48,490
didn't give it a big dash I mean he'll

1002
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:51,580
eat shouldn't he put his feet up yes he

1003
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:54,040
deserves a wonderful retirement but yeah

1004
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:56,080
we need figureheads like you to come

1005
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,030
forward any suggestion who might be

1006
00:43:01,260 --> 00:42:59,440
someone that would be of a similar ilk

1007
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:01,270
that could eat not so much replace him

1008
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,020
but do this or thing Richard Saunders

1009
00:43:08,859 --> 00:43:07,280
that's true and I've got to say he

1010
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:08,869
probably would cut quite a figure with a

1011
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:12,380
beard yes yes it just yet give him some

1012
00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:15,049
time here you gentlemen got any thoughts

1013
00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:17,270
about this at all no I just love James

1014
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:19,339
Randi yeah not sure who there's got to

1015
00:43:23,529 --> 00:43:20,930
be someone into james randi foundation

1016
00:43:25,329 --> 00:43:23,539
who who could proceed are succeeding

1017
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:25,339
it's been a lot of work I've these have

1018
00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:27,650
you got opinion on this at all sir yep I

1019
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:29,180
think there should always be people to

1020
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,849
do all the things that James Randi is

1021
00:43:36,370 --> 00:43:34,880
done because the sharpens are just

1022
00:43:39,279 --> 00:43:36,380
charlatans are just going to keep on

1023
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:39,289
coming and look what's the whew that

1024
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:41,150
really gets your goat by the way I often

1025
00:43:44,799 --> 00:43:42,680
ask people this well what's the Wu was

1026
00:43:47,650 --> 00:43:44,809
it astrology or what's the one that

1027
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:47,660
really annoys you the most that's a hard

1028
00:43:54,789 --> 00:43:50,960
1i just hate cults in general but in

1029
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:54,799
terms of general new age were I probably

1030
00:44:01,329 --> 00:43:59,410
think homeopathy is right up on the list

1031
00:44:03,099 --> 00:44:01,339
well I've moved to a different part of

1032
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:03,109
the room where the red wine is flowing

1033
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:05,510
win the red wine section of the crown

1034
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:07,130
hotel here now what do you think of the

1035
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:08,990
issue of the evening about do we need a

1036
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:10,700
replacement for James Randi do we need a

1037
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:12,680
figurehead well I think it's always good

1038
00:44:17,950 --> 00:44:15,500
to have a charismatic person who is out

1039
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:17,960
there spruiking your organization have

1040
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:21,920
you any other any suggestions oh well

1041
00:44:26,049 --> 00:44:23,270
they need to be skeptical and

1042
00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:26,059
charismatic so a lot of your people have

1043
00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:28,940
said maybe comedians we've got skeptical

1044
00:44:32,289 --> 00:44:31,069
comedians or people of that that ilk

1045
00:44:34,359 --> 00:44:32,299
because they know how to think on their

1046
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:34,369
feet and they know how to handle a press

1047
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:35,390
conference they might not have the

1048
00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:37,490
scientific backing but they'd be able to

1049
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:39,500
so it's more important to have the

1050
00:44:44,289 --> 00:44:42,049
substance and then you find someone

1051
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:44,299
who's got the facility you know to put

1052
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:47,089
the message across personally so we're

1053
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:48,890
looking for an australian stephen Fry's

1054
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:50,210
that what you meant

1055
00:44:56,859 --> 00:44:51,980
it would be good but I don't think that

1056
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:56,869
there is something sadly thank you well

1057
00:45:00,400 --> 00:44:58,490
do you think we still need a figurehead

1058
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:00,410
like that in the movement or not I think

1059
00:45:04,329 --> 00:45:02,030
we have many of them you know and when

1060
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:04,339
you look at Richard Dawkins and the

1061
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:07,400
skeptic guides the universe Crocker his

1062
00:45:13,329 --> 00:45:10,570
hepcidin merseyside guys what they do

1063
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,339
I'm thinking Jay novella teach him a bit

1064
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:15,440
of a scape ology would a fake beard on

1065
00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:18,170
him you know he can do town yeah I

1066
00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:19,880
figure I think there's plenty of

1067
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:21,859
characters in the movement that will

1068
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,930
progress it along new ones will come

1069
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:25,760
through and obviously we got Richard

1070
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:28,010
here in Australia so I'm also thinking

1071
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:30,320
how about teller I'm intelli talks when

1072
00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:31,849
he's not part of the Act he could be you

1073
00:45:35,020 --> 00:45:33,230
know tell it could be the new James

1074
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:35,030
Randi what do you think sir well thank

1075
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,250
you he's still your fanging into those

1076
00:45:42,010 --> 00:45:39,200
chips at haven't you eaten for two weeks

1077
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:42,020
no I haven't what do you reckon about

1078
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,940
the whole james randi retiring thing or

1079
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:45,410
is it just another magic act he'll be

1080
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,810
back haha hey I have to be honest I

1081
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:49,040
actually thought he'd already retired

1082
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:50,540
when he cuz he stepped down from the

1083
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:53,089
presidency of the sheriff other was

1084
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,320
winding it back but he sort of

1085
00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:56,000
officially drawn a line under a year

1086
00:46:00,940 --> 00:45:57,560
well it doesn't surprise me he's not

1087
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:00,950
exactly young anymore yeah 86 isn't 86

1088
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:05,510
yeah blame him never right it was good

1089
00:46:09,609 --> 00:46:08,690
it was gay why'd you take so long well

1090
00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:09,619
do you think there's anyone that could

1091
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:12,320
replace it um I don't think we need a

1092
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:14,690
single figure headed like we said before

1093
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:18,200
I think there are plenty of prominent

1094
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,910
people that can actually stand up and

1095
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:21,280
say things get noticed by the media

1096
00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:23,450
something people have been mentioning to

1097
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:25,400
me as I've asked this tonight is some

1098
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,570
people have been saying well maybe we

1099
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:28,160
need someone who's a bit of a comedian

1100
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:29,930
or someone who's a bit more of a public

1101
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:31,970
speaker and as fast on their feet rather

1102
00:46:36,099 --> 00:46:34,490
than the science backing to represent

1103
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:36,109
the skeptic sometime how do you feel

1104
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:40,160
about that well I actually think it's

1105
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:41,590
more about whom

1106
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:43,660
who's credible and who can get their

1107
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:45,580
media's attention because there's no

1108
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:46,930
real leader of the skipping move and

1109
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:48,370
it's like trying to herd cats as more

1110
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:51,160
like Guzman who's a spokesman mmm and I

1111
00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:53,290
think it is just room for multiple very

1112
00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:55,870
prominent spokesman and is anyone come

1113
00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:57,700
to mind no I think you're thinking

1114
00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:00,370
steady Eddie someone like that in

1115
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:02,860
Australia dr. Carl is definitely a big

1116
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:05,470
voice of skepticism yeah and everyone it

1117
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:06,580
pretty much everyone in the stranger

1118
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:11,050
knows who he is hmm and something okay

1119
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:14,170
thanks you my name is Neil male what do

1120
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:16,090
you reckon with james randi retiring

1121
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:17,410
does the skeptical movement need a

1122
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:18,760
figurehead or it could it be more

1123
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:21,070
organic and just go on without necessary

1124
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:22,690
personalities like that so just back

1125
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:24,300
back back back back back he's retiring

1126
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,340
yeah well he's 86 and he said he said

1127
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:29,560
that's it I'm gonna they're not gonna do

1128
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:31,150
the amazing meeting after the next one

1129
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:33,010
and he's gonna sort of he's gay it's not

1130
00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:34,120
going to do the skeptical stuff

1131
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:35,980
officially anymore so it is retiring

1132
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:37,150
does this mean he's going to start

1133
00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:38,740
believing in things like is you're going

1134
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,880
to convert is it going to go to the

1135
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:41,440
other side is it going to start you know

1136
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:43,420
think about is he start going to hear is

1137
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:44,910
you start going to start using

1138
00:47:53,850 --> 00:47:49,810
aromatherapy and shave his beard well

1139
00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:53,860
yes believe in a deity these things that

1140
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:55,540
go along with retirement this is

1141
00:47:59,940 --> 00:47:57,640
interesting because I'm sure we'll have

1142
00:48:01,770 --> 00:47:59,950
to read the press release because the

1143
00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:01,780
devil might be in the details hehe might

1144
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:03,460
be saying I'm going to stop being a

1145
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:04,870
skeptic all together you might have

1146
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:06,430
uncovered something you know well you

1147
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:08,410
know I think it's always important to

1148
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:10,690
read the fine print and as you say the

1149
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:13,030
devil is in the detail where is he going

1150
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:14,830
with this we need to know so can we

1151
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:16,930
expect to see him on the home shopping

1152
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:19,480
channel selling crystals and well I was

1153
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:21,430
actually thinking he'd brought be doing

1154
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:23,630
a guest appearance and crossing over

1155
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:25,970
better be crossing over with james from

1156
00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:29,510
NC yeah that's maybe that's what he

1157
00:48:34,990 --> 00:48:32,780
means by retiring and we've got dr. Karl

1158
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:35,000
who I think you actually broadcasting

1159
00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:36,170
before there was double J you were

1160
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:37,580
probably Adam William Street reading a

1161
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:38,930
science report before there was even a

1162
00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:41,270
transmitter you go back that far I'll go

1163
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:43,100
back to wind it was not radio even

1164
00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:45,410
invented when single J we just simply a

1165
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:47,300
guy with a loud voice shouting loud in

1166
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,920
the backyard now my very first

1167
00:48:56,380 --> 00:48:52,160
appearance was 1975 when I went on to

1168
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:56,390
double J to talk about my anti-gravity

1169
00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:58,970
machine and there were one or two other

1170
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:00,740
bits and pieces between i reappeared in

1171
00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:03,350
1981 for the launch of the first space

1172
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:04,760
shuttle and then have been there ever

1173
00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:06,590
since what made them think hey we really

1174
00:49:09,610 --> 00:49:08,120
need the Science reporter there because

1175
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:09,620
there was nothing like that going on

1176
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:11,240
radio at the time was that simply the

1177
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:14,570
risen Tony barrel Tony barrel was a man

1178
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:18,710
of great insight and foresight so he

1179
00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:21,830
could be deep and you'd see what would

1180
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,580
be a necessary trend and at one stage I

1181
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:27,440
got flicked off from Triple J by one of

1182
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:30,110
the managers who said basically we've

1183
00:49:33,850 --> 00:49:32,210
discovered everything in there is this

1184
00:49:35,530 --> 00:49:33,860
for know about side so we don't need you

1185
00:49:37,390 --> 00:49:35,540
anymore cough well it's like you've been

1186
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:37,400
vindicated because people love science

1187
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:38,870
information to really come of age now

1188
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:41,120
it's always been there is basically

1189
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:42,950
answering quiroz because science is not

1190
00:49:46,330 --> 00:49:44,750
a bunch of facts so ice is just simply a

1191
00:49:48,730 --> 00:49:46,340
way to understand the world around us

1192
00:49:50,530 --> 00:49:48,740
and I'm very lucky to have been able to

1193
00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:50,540
have a platform such as double J then

1194
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:52,820
triple j on which to expound that one

1195
00:49:56,860 --> 00:49:54,620
has been the science fact that has blown

1196
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:56,870
your tiny mind and that of the listeners

1197
00:50:00,970 --> 00:49:58,970
over all the years there's so many in

1198
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:00,980
strange things through them now two of

1199
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:02,930
them okay first one is that all a gold

1200
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:05,150
you'll ever see such as the gold in my

1201
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:08,210
wedding ring was manufactured or this

1202
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:11,690
gold was manufactured inside a star as

1203
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:14,210
it exploded and we're not going to get

1204
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:16,370
any more / to you might think that the

1205
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:20,210
Sun is a mighty beast but the compost

1206
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:24,590
pile in my backyard in terms of how much

1207
00:50:30,810 --> 00:50:27,430
energy it generates per kilogram is

1208
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:30,820
forty thousand times more powerful

1209
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:35,550
what Rick Rick oh wow that is very

1210
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:39,490
powerful but it's very big and lazy so

1211
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:40,900
at any given moment is only a few

1212
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:42,610
hundred hydrogen atoms undergoing fusion

1213
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,770
that's pretty amazing car and that's why

1214
00:50:49,530 --> 00:50:46,720
he continues to be on the radio what is

1215
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:49,540
the main major scientific advancement or

1216
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,980
discover you think that's around the

1217
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:52,480
corner that is really going to trick

1218
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:53,920
your imagination next if you've got an

1219
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:55,450
inkling in terms of what's going to

1220
00:51:01,410 --> 00:50:58,660
affect people i would say 3d printing 3d

1221
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:01,420
printing is either the small scale where

1222
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:02,650
you got to start a small box in your

1223
00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:03,970
house where you can make a gun if you

1224
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:06,460
want to be crazy or something that see

1225
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:09,610
size of three warehouses and boeing has

1226
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:12,670
been using them to make metal paths for

1227
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:17,170
the inside of 25,000 jet engines the

1228
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,210
environment inside a jet engine is truly

1229
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:21,520
hostile thousands not hundreds of

1230
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:23,740
degrees centigrade wind rushing past at

1231
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:25,180
several hundred kilometers per hour and

1232
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:27,910
in the future everybody will have a 3d

1233
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,050
printer at home in the same way

1234
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:30,640
everybody's got a computer it'll be a

1235
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,050
box about the size of a microwave

1236
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,480
that'll have 92 feedstocks one for each

1237
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:36,160
of them to the periodic table and if you

1238
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:37,930
want to get a new smartphone you pay a

1239
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:39,550
couple hundred bucks and then started

1240
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:40,750
going in the morning there it'll be

1241
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,450
inside your 3d printer and it will have

1242
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:45,760
atoms of tantalum and titanium and

1243
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:48,910
silicon and copper and so forth the 3d

1244
00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:50,430
printer is going to revolutionize

1245
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:52,660
manufacturing does that mean but also

1246
00:51:56,610 --> 00:51:54,970
make food for us you've already used 3d

1247
00:52:00,270 --> 00:51:56,620
printers to make food you'll be able to

1248
00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:00,280
make a violin a vaccine a stub axle for

1249
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:04,600
your car a smartphone a house a car and

1250
00:52:08,850 --> 00:52:06,970
in fact another 3d printer but will you

1251
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:08,860
be able to manufacture love dr. Carl

1252
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:12,010
love and life maybe quantum mechanics is

1253
00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:13,930
has the answer for those we still don't

1254
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:16,060
know dr. calc Wisniewski thank you for

1255
00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:34,990
the skeptic magazine the journal from

1256
00:52:40,329 --> 00:52:38,119
Australian skeptics subscribe online to

1257
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:40,339
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1258
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:45,650
magazine visit w WC APA mau and click

1259
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1260
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:52,369
find their over 30 years on back issues

1261
00:53:13,859 --> 00:52:55,700
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1262
00:53:18,999 --> 00:53:16,509
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1263
00:53:20,829 --> 00:53:19,009
zone and happy birthday by the way well

1264
00:53:23,019 --> 00:53:20,839
I didn't have any luck finding my bagel

1265
00:53:25,089 --> 00:53:23,029
hmm no well I just have to settle for

1266
00:53:26,799 --> 00:53:25,099
egg on toast don't forget you people in

1267
00:53:30,219 --> 00:53:26,809
Victoria coming up in a few weeks we

1268
00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:30,229
have the Surf Coast skeptic camp more

1269
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:33,289
news about that next week now here's a

1270
00:53:36,819 --> 00:53:34,689
little tip for people in Australia

1271
00:53:39,699 --> 00:53:36,829
especially in the capital cities but I'm

1272
00:53:41,769 --> 00:53:39,709
pretty sure you can do this well just

1273
00:53:43,299 --> 00:53:41,779
about everywhere there's a free magazine

1274
00:53:47,949 --> 00:53:43,309
comes out I think what's a month called

1275
00:53:51,969 --> 00:53:47,959
nova in ova you'll find it out the front

1276
00:53:55,659 --> 00:53:51,979
of New Age shop source health food shops

1277
00:53:58,599 --> 00:53:55,669
or things like that it's called

1278
00:54:02,380 --> 00:53:58,609
Australia's holistic journal established

1279
00:54:07,089 --> 00:54:02,390
1994 I have a copy here it's really

1280
00:54:09,969 --> 00:54:07,099
worth getting it's we use that the

1281
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:09,979
skeptical movement for research for

1282
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,369
ideas what's coming up and here we go

1283
00:54:21,819 --> 00:54:16,640
what's this John Martin world master

1284
00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:21,829
healing 2015 12 cities one day twelve

1285
00:54:26,529 --> 00:54:24,229
cities one day oh it's already gone I

1286
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,539
wonder if he healed anybody it's full of

1287
00:54:33,339 --> 00:54:29,359
ads it's full of ads for all sorts of

1288
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:33,349
them shall I say improbable things

1289
00:54:38,729 --> 00:54:35,689
there's crystal healing here well says

1290
00:54:41,919 --> 00:54:38,739
psychic sisters 30 years plus experience

1291
00:54:43,509 --> 00:54:41,929
what else is this one afterlife a guided

1292
00:54:46,569 --> 00:54:43,519
tour of the heavens and it's wonder had

1293
00:54:48,659 --> 00:54:46,579
guided tour of the heavens well that's

1294
00:54:51,729 --> 00:54:48,669
pretty hard to pass up that opportunity

1295
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:51,739
geo cleanse a simple solution for all

1296
00:54:55,899 --> 00:54:54,049
your electromagnetic radiation in your

1297
00:54:59,140 --> 00:54:55,909
home by this little device in plug it in

1298
00:55:02,620 --> 00:54:59,150
and give us your money all sorts of

1299
00:55:06,059 --> 00:55:02,630
things and articles and bits and pieces

1300
00:55:13,569 --> 00:55:06,069
what's this one drug free pain relief

1301
00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:13,579
hmm unseen energies and it's got up and

1302
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:14,900
coming events like when the next

1303
00:55:20,399 --> 00:55:17,839
mind-body wallet will be worth checking

1304
00:55:22,989 --> 00:55:20,409
out it's free they just give it away

1305
00:55:25,959 --> 00:55:22,999
good for research good to see what the

1306
00:55:27,130 --> 00:55:25,969
other side are thinking well that's

1307
00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:27,140
enough for this week

1308
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:29,740
until next week this is Richard Saunders

1309
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:32,180
without a bagel oh happy birthday by the

1310
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:41,200
you've been listening to the skeptic

1311
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:46,160
zone visit her website at www skeptic